
Does this mean 'no swearing' or does it mean 'no filtering'?
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I counted over fifty grawlix in an article once. I don't think I knew quite the impact and character of the Newsvine profanity filter until then. I didn't see much cursing and when I did it was in the form of the grawlix, a term coined by cartoonist Mort Walker to describe the string of typograpy indicating colorful imprecations.
Thought it was more a Code of Honor thing that people would take time to insert their own marks instead of spelling it out. What manners! But as myself and others soon discover, the grawlix is an automatic replacement string put there by a profanity filter. It's on by default, but you can turn it off. In fact, many in the Newsvine community have expressed that this place is a lot more fun with the filter turned off. It's a preference on your 'Account' tab, and Josh Yockey - Newsvine Director of Technology and Grawlix Development - tells us that the programming token passed out when you turn your filter off is called the "Sailor Token" so as to honor the best of the true cuss craftsmen.
In 1964, Walker (Beetle Bailey, Hi & Lois) invented the term grawlix. The comics artist also contrived plewd, squeen and spurl, thus putting words to the many devices that comic strip artists have used throughout the years. Concocted mainly for amusement, the terms Walker catalogued in an article for the National Cartoonists Society later became The Lexicon of Comicana. The words caught on to some degree to describe drops of sweat, stars about the head, wiggly lines, cursing etc.
Ah, when used well, there's nothing like a well-placed @!$%#. And sometimes there will simply be no better way to describe something, say... talking about a profanity filter. I had a chance to ask Josh a few questions about the grawlixing of Newsvine.
SM: I reckon Carlin's Seven Dirty Words are a good starting point. Can you tell us some of the more unusual words that are filtered?
JY: I've always thought of Carlin's 7 as a little odd, because he includes a couple that are pretty tame. 'Piss' is a little vulgar, but hardly obscene, and we don't filter it out. I don't know what to make of 'tits'. It's far more tame than a few entries that Carlin left out, like '@!$%#' and '@!$%#'.
There's really nothing unusual in the Newsvine list. My previous employer (ESPN) also used a profanity filter, but rather than substrings it only filtered exact matches, so the list had to be comprehensive and by the time I left it had over 300 entries, including the truly bizarre. Reading the entire list in one go made you want to take a shower afterwards.
Approximately how many words are filtered?
A small handful of strings are filtered (less than 10), but they are filtered out even as substrings of larger words, so the potential number of words it cleans includes all of the variations and is pretty comprehensive.
Most words are pretty obvious when determining profanity, but some could fall into a grey area. What are the more contentious words in regards to being on or off the Newsvine list?
I think we err on the side of not filtering as much. Carlin's 'tits' will show up on the site, along with most references to genitalia. We do filter out '@!$%#' even though you can hear it on prime time TV these days.
Is the filter pretty much limited to dirty words, or are there, for example, racial epithets being filtered?
No, it's just dirty words. The reason for that is that profanity is a matter of taste, and for the people who decide that they enjoy using 'sentence enhancers', we have no problem with it - within reason - as long as other people can opt out. (Or in this case, refuse to opt in.) Racial epithets, on the other hand, are not a matter of taste and they will get your comment deleted and the author likely banned.
Not all words can be anticipated. Does the list of filtered words ever get tweaked?
We haven't changed the profanity list since we wrote it, because filtering substrings tends to automatically take care of 'creative' profane neologisms. On the other hand we have a list of exceptions, because substring filtering can be a little too aggressive. For example, Matsushita was added after that company had been in the news and we noticed the overgrawlixing.
Maybe you could expound a little bit on the social and cultural aspects of such a tool. Are there any non-English words that are filtered?
No. We (reluctantly) made the decision early on that Newsvine would have to be an English-only site. All of the technology supports internationalization (and the first few weeks after launch we were pleased to see articles in Arabic, German, Japanese, and Chinese), but we don't have the resources to moderate discussions in every language. So our profanity filter stays English-only as well.
It's surprisingly non-controversial. I can't think of any case where a user was confused about what had happened to their comment and why. It seems profanity filtration and grawlixes are well-established enough in our culture that everyone gets it.
Are there any places where the profanity filter does not work?
If you mean text areas on the site where the filter isn't being applied, that's a bug. A few of them are known (e.g. Newsvine Live) and we just haven't come up with a good way to interject the filter. But by design, all of the text should run through the filter for consistency.
How was the character order and overall aesthetic appearance arrived at of this particular Newsvine grawlix?
I came up with the string on the fly. It's hardcoded and has never changed. The filter is a very early feature and was in place before the end of the closed beta. I think my aesthetic was to use larger, blocky symbols so it stands out as a dense rectangle of nonsense on a quick scan.
Did anyone know there was a name for that string of characters when Newsvine developed their profanity filter?
I don't think anyone in the office did. We referred to it as the garble. My spellchecker just highlighted grawlix as misspelled and recommends garlic as the replacement.
Steve - Nice *#@&! job on your @*&$ article.
Ah, when used well, there's nothing like a well-placed @!$%#.
Hahahahaha! That made me laugh!
This is a cool interview, thanks.
Hehe, that was original and pleasant. My thanks!
Seinfeld would love it... this is funny....thanks, Steve ...got me wondering...I been typing in my own grawlixes...
A well designed interview and informative about a single checkbox preference. Frickin Nice!
You can look forward to the follow-up interview discussing the timezone selector.
(I'm kidding. [I hope])
So true Steve, How often do we overlook the simplest of thinks and dismiss them so quickly as to not ask the questions, where did it come from or what would be there if it didn't exist? Having this filter in place is just one of those little things that preserves the integrity of NV.
I can't believe the amount of trash comments on other sites. Some that is all they do, like it is cool or something. "Oh wow did you see that person used the seven words in their comment, how creative and profound they must be!"
I am the type of person who likes to find out the meanings and origins of things. I wonder now what I have just accepted as being there.
You can look forward to the follow-up interview discussing the timezone selector.
Hmm, that could be a future writing perspective piece:)
Yes this was interesting. I think I had been here over 6 months before I realized you could turn off the profanity filter, let alone that we even had one. I always wondered how it was that everybody always used the same characters.....Thanks heavens I got smarter here!
Oh definitively no holds barred profanity! I want to read everything!
add me to the list who thought people were typing out R*#$RWI
one day, though, i read something i wrote while not logged in and saw a curse word turned into $(*#$R and I thought, wait, did calvin or someone just enter my story and type that?
That was last montha few months into my time here - took much longer to catch on then i should admit.
Great interview, Steve.
Very clever concept for an interview. How'd it come about? Did you just say one day "hey, i wonder if i can get access to the profanity filter list and interview someone about it?"
Clipped to newsvine's @!$%#ing picks
So if i want to use the word @!$%#cakes on the site, so i have to l33tify it?
I'm telling you, this conversation thread is about to go B1tchcakes!
tom, attempting to evade the profanity filter is a violation of the Code of Honor. I've reported you to Emily.
Hmm, maybe the test lance and others are doing here are attempts to evade the filter?
just out of curiousity does the phrase "wait until mike d gets here?" get used at work a lot and does it have the same meaning as "wait until dad gets home?"
tom, please abide by the fvcking Code of Honor.
I'd report that as a COH violation, but why bother.
See i think it should be reported as a bug or else emily's lousy with typos. Perhaps theory #1 was right - this is an Emily clone
I was tempted to suggest we have a Code of @!$%#ing Honor but that would raise up all kinds of new issues about a, er, users responsibilities.
I can't wait for us to write the @!$%#ing user agreemetn
and i volunteer to be part of THAT code of @!$%#ing honor miliitia
Suddenly spam and malicious user violating the code of @!$%#ing honor take on a whole new meaning don't they?
I love it. When I first joined Newsvine my @!$%# and @!$%# words were #@%* and all the rest. I like to see what I read and I think it's great!!! Keep the dirty words in. I love swearing and I as my teacher says swearing is a lazy way of using the Queen's Language (you can tell she's an English teacher). Well I say @!$%# the Queen and let's swear our heads off. But stick to the article. Because that is the most important. If I want to say bush is a @!$%# knuckle I want to read @!$%# knuckle. not *^#@ knuckle. It looks stupid. Onya Newsvine! I didn't even know about a filter button and I'm not even going to bother looking for it. Probably wouldn't find the @!$%#en thing anyway. But I do draw the line at the c word. No need for that one. Hmmm. Maybe there is a little bit of prude in me...
Steve. Aaahhhh. You got me there. No prude in me. I say the word I just won't print it. Naughty @!$%#en cheeky bastard you are!!!! hehehehhe. This link is so damn funny!!!!
While I agree that "tits" isn't that profane, I can't think of a single instance in which i've heard that word uttered on network television.
On Friends, Joey never blurted out that Rachel had nice tits -- though I can imagine that he probably mentioned the quality of various "racks" during its run.
Excellent article! Thank for the information. I turned off my profanity filter as soon as I figured out there was one, just cause I like the word, @!$%#. :-P
Great @!$%#ing article, Steve!! This was truly a @!$%#ing joy to read!! Keep up the great @!$%#ing work!!
Umm..vic - I think he meant that you are too @!$%#ing kind.
I also thought it was automatic as I *do* tend to use ***** to fill in words so as to not offend anyone, but as I am still new here my personal filter is still on :)
Thanks for the article
Very good @!$%#ing point!
Thanks Steve! ;)
I've sometimes found the evolution of profanity filters over the past decade to be fairly quirky. For example, some filters were so rigid that the following common quote would get censored.
"The pen is mightier than the sword." - Edward Bulwer-Lytton
Even major search engines would blacklist this string if one's filters were set in nanny mode. Go figure...
Steve mock,are you sure? i still see 'objectionable' posts.
"
The pen is mightier than the sword." - Edward Bulwer-LyttonEven major search engines would blacklist this string if one's filters were set in nanny mode
....downright....@!$%#ing frigid
grawlix is an automatic replacement string put there by a profanity filter. It's on by default, but you can turn it off.
Does this then mean that I've been wasting my time politely typing out #*$%, when the *#$%& filter would have %$*#ing been automatically filtering the $*!# for me? Well, I'm new to blogs and all this $&*#, so I didn't know. But I'd just as soon stick with my personal selections for 'cuss replacements'.
Now I need to find the filter, if you'll direct me please. I think I selected to have it turned off when I joined, but I want to make sure. (I had two Uncles who were Chiefs in the Navy, and I'm a former newsphotog so I'm quite unlikely to find anything I haven't heard before, or been called more than once).
Thanks for the article Steve Mock. Not only informative, but it and the comments were quite funny.
Thx. Good thing I looked, it seems to have been checked on.....now making me wonder about all the creative cussing I've been missing.
Do I have to wait to be offended....or can I just be offended now and get it out of the way, so it won't be a distraction later?
Hows about a vote, @!$%#?
I myself would be a bastard, thou technically I do have a couple who claim me, biologically speaking. I suppose I could be called a son of a @!$%#, but my mother is a Mississippi farm girl with heavy iron skillets and a strong arm.....so your risk of TBI would be problematical. (oh, and I DID vote you.............)
I just finished rereading the posts above here after turning off the damn filter....HA!
1 second into the article and I was already searching for what grawlix meant before even reading the article. Nice post, and got me laughing at myself.
Thanks Steve for the tip about the filter. I knew that there was one operating, but I didn't realize that it could be turned off (as I have just done).
let me cite instances of occurrence of objectionable expressions later please.
...well I never...
I had assumed the gravlax were automatic. I mean it's just so much salmon. Did anybody think I meant "@!$%#" when I actually "@!$%#ity @!$%# @!$%#"? *wipes egg off of face*
I have spent a few years in the Merchant Marines and my language is salty, piquant with a soupcan of saucy.
Together, they are delicious.
This is one gosh darn good article.
Huh?!? Is the NV profanity filter now substituting actual words in lieu of grawlix?
@!$%#, I hope not....er.....I mean.... gee willikers, I hope not.
Thanks, Steve. Some days I don't know whether I'm Rowan or Martin, though... **sigh**
Hey, can I be the chick version of George Carlin? Please? Pretty please? I give my @!$%#ing word that I will not simultaneously be "new and improved!"
fugitive247, now with 33% more on the spot comedy? ;)
Hmmm... Maybe I pigeon-holed myself with the Carlin reference. Then again, maybe not. He also could go from high-brow New Yorker to Beavis and Butt-head and back again in a nanosecond.
Ten minutes, huh? Sure. But I insist on including a musical number.
But I insist on including a musical number.
One of THOSE types are ya?....well.....er......awesome ;)
I'm not sure how I missed this since SEVERAL of my friends have commented here, but I thoroughly enjoyed it and I wholeheartedly agree that there's nothing like a well-placed @!$%# even if it's rendered as %^!
Great @!$%#en article Steve. I laughed so damn hard my tits nearly fell off!!! And I'm happier because of the little dittie I wrote for my Rugby League article. While I was writing the article I thought ah @!$%# they're gonna @!$%# around and @!$%# up my @!$%# word in the dittie. And low behold.
We are the Champions,
We are the Best.
We are the Legends,
@!$%# all the Rest!!!
I was very happy to see that. Queenslander!!!!
Drongo is a polite way of calling someone a dickhead. Or a @!$%#wit. Or a @!$%#head. Geez Drongo goes back to the Great War. It's such an ancient word you drongo.
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